Question:
Is my AV receiver under powering or over powering my speakers?
Darkgroova
2012-11-25 13:16:33 UTC
On initial setup i had digital distortion (clipping) on the centre channel and slightly on surround channels, i replaced the speaker cables with a thicker gauge and the clipping is no longer audible, id have to be really picky to notice any clipping, however now am getting a slightly warmer almost analog like distortion even at low volumes, usually ill use the receiver in the evenings and have the audyssey dynamic volume & eq settings turned on as to not ruin my neighbours evening's volume at -49 db max, i spoke with the technical support at the dealers, i was told to upgrade my receiver to a more powerful one like the Yamaha RXA 1010, am actually new to the home cinema and hifi world so i don't claim to know much but i fell as though i am going deeper into the rabbit hole and cant truthfully afford to. Any advise will be appreciated, Thanks :)

The receiver is a Denon AVR 19-12

Front:
90 W + 90 W (8 Ω, 20 Hz – 20 kHz with 0.08 % T.H.D.) 125 W + 125 W (6 Ω, 1 kHz with 0.7 % T.H.D.)

Center:
90 W (8 Ω, 20 Hz – 20 kHz with 0.08 % T.H.D.) 125 W (6 Ω, 1 kHz with 0.7 % T.H.D.)

Surround:
90 W + 90 W (8 Ω, 20 Hz – 20 kHz with 0.08 % T.H.D.) 125 W + 125 W (6 Ω, 1 kHz with 0.7 % T.H.D.)

Input sensitivity/Input impedance:200 mV/47 kΩ

the Speakers are Q acoustics 2000i Cinema Pack

FRONT AND SURROUND SPEAKER SPECIFICATION

Enclosure type: 2-way reflex
Bass Unit: 100mm
Treble Unit: 25mm
Frequency Response: 68Hz - 22kHz
Nominal Impedance: 6ohm
Minimum Impedance: 4ohm
Sensitivity: 86dB
Recommended Power: 15 - 75w
Crossover Frequency: 2.8kHz
Dimensions H/D/W mm: 234.5 x 203 x 150
Weight: 3.5kg
Sold in: Pairs

CENTER CHANNEL SPEAKER SPECIFICATIONS

Enclosure type: 2-way reflex
Bass Unit: 2 x 100mm
Treble Unit: 25mm
Frequency Response: 75Hz - 22kHz
Nominal Impedance: 6ohm
Minimum Impedance: 4.4ohm
Sensitivity: 89dB
Recommended Power: 25-100w
Crossover Frequency: 2.7kHz
Dimensions H/D/W mm: 160 x 203 x 430
Weight: kg
Sold in: Singly

SUBWOOFER SPECIFICATIONS

Enclosure type: Ported
Bass Unit: 2 x 170mm
Amplified Power: 150W rms
Crossover Frequency: 50Hz - 150Hz (var)
Dimensions H/D/W mm: 425 x 560 x 195
Weight: 14.6kg
Sold in: Singly
Five answers:
Melv H
2012-11-25 17:15:52 UTC
The suggested Yamaha RX-A1010 receiver seems very nice, but, in practice, the power difference between that one and the Denon AVR-1912 is relatively inconsequential:



Denon AVR-1912, 90 watts per channel (8 Ohm - 20 - 20000 Hz - THD 0.08 %)



Yamaha RX-A1010, 110 watts per channel (8 Ohm - 20 - 20000 Hz - THD 0.06 %)



Basically, the Yamaha makes about 22% more power (and 30% more dynamic power). That's nice, but it's not related to your current problem.



(A 30% difference in dynamic power might be just enough, perhaps, to notice that one system is able to play slightly louder than the other. It's minor.)



The problem you're having is more likely to be related to the small, inefficient speakers you're using.



The Q acoustics 2000i Cinema Pack speakers seems pretty cool, but the small size of the satellite speakers suggest they would work better in a smaller sized room, like a bedroom, played at moderate volume levels. They are not suitable if you're trying to use them in a larger size room, and want them to play at higher volume levels.



The 2010i bookshelf speakers (which you have four of), have small 4" (100mm) woofers, and the sensitivity rating is 86 dB, which is low. (Low sensitivity means they won't play as loudly --or play loudly as easily --as speakers that are more efficient.)



The maximum recommended power for the 2010i speakers is 75 watts per channel. This is a problem, not just because the Denon receiver is rated at 90 watts per channel (into 8 Ohms), but also because the 2010i speakers are rated at 6 Ohms (with a minimum of 4 Ohms). That will cause them to draw even more power from the Denon receiver (as much as 125 watts).



So, if you've been trying to make the system play even somewhat loudly, in a good sized room, the Denon receiver is probably overwhelming the small Q acoustics speakers. The distortion noise you were hearing could be the mechanical noise of the speakers bottoming out (or port noise that becomes audible).



You're fighting physics when you try to make very small speakers play loudly. They're intrinsically less efficient. Plus, small speakers often demonstrate a "compression effect," where, above a certain point, you apply more and more power, but they just don't play any louder. (This can also change the frequency response.)



Basically, it just seems like the Q acoustics 2000i speakers aren't quite big enough for the way you've been using them.



So, if that seems to be the situation --if you have a pretty big room, and you need your home theater system to play at fairly high levels --you should move the Q acoustics speakers to a bedroom system, and then plan on buying some equally good quality, but physically somewhat larger, speakers, to use with your main system. Speakers that are physically larger, and more efficient, will be able to fill the space with sound more effortlessly --louder, with better dynamics --and will be a better match (in terms of power handling) for your current Denon receiver.



Edit,



Do you have the port plugs installed? If you keep the port plugs installed in the Q acoustics 2010i speakers it will probably allow them to absorb a little more power before producing audible distress.



Otherwise, until you upgrade, if you notice distortion sounds coming from the speakers, and the problem is immediately solved by turning down the volume control a little bit, that's all you need to do.
tom7railway
2012-11-26 09:44:42 UTC
I agree the biggest problem is most likely the smaller speakers, not only are they relatively inefficient but they're probably quite over-rated watts-wise. However if they are all the same make my guess is that they are all likely to be over-rated in the same way, so that just changing a few may not give you satisfaction. I'm not a hi-fi buff and I'm not familiar with make and quality, but I do know that the speakers are the most important part of a system. Poor quality speakers with a good receiver/amplifier will not sound as good as top quality speakers with a mediocre amp/receiver.

My advice would be to ditch all the speakers and buy good quality ones that match the receiver.

If you don't want this expense then I feel 2-way speakers with a bigger, say 6 or 8"" woofer will sound much better than the 4" ones you have now.
pritchett
2016-08-02 10:44:22 UTC
The guy above did a good job explaining the diversities, however as to why, its like vehicle manufacturers pronouncing their automobile has 300 hp and yet another saying 305, enormous whoop. Manufactures prefer to play "the numbers game" method an excessive amount of considering they'll attract persons with their enormous numbers. Max vigour doesnt rather imply so much in terms of sound fine/loudness and many others. Appear on the vigour output of your amp at the identical resistance(ohm) as your audio system and that will have to inform you extra accuratley how much watts you're giving each speaker. Of path there is also the distortion score and so on. So the foremost cause they have got 2 output scores is the first one is to seize your concentration so they can woo you, the 2nd must be the extra practical/accurate quantity that should let you know how good it should stand up to your speakers.
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2016-12-30 18:07:25 UTC
Q Acoustics 2010i Speakers
gulfam
2016-10-07 15:07:59 UTC
Q Acoustics 2000i


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